Friday, April 16, 2010

Interview with Jim & Casper : Why?

How much more can things get watered down than to ask an atheist what's wrong with the church? 

When did it ever become viable to ask the unregenerate to critique the things of God and then use them to analyze how the church body should behave? Why look to a blind man to ask him to describe color, or the dead man to ask him how to find life?  How much less sense does it make to ask an atheist (many of whom I've encountered in evangelism) what he thinks is wrong with the church and Christians. My experience has been that atheists not only reject the God of the bible, they hate Him. This is most often observed in their cynicism and blasphemous rhetoric. 

So what's different about Matt Casper? Nothing really. Except that his distorted view Christianity has been validated by his co-author (a pastor) Jim Henderson.   Henderson exposes his bias against biblical evangelism at about 5:30 into the video when he disparages the use of Christian apologetics and specifically, the question "if you died tonight, why would God let you into Heaven?" I ask the very question he criticizes, and the overwhelming response  is the opposite of what Henderson says it is. Most people think it's because they're good and that they have something to offer God in and of themselves.

Many modern churches like the one in this video are continuing on in the pragmatic, man centered march toward friendship with the world. Looking to any source that does not line up with God's Word only invites the opinions of fallen man. Worldly ideas work in fallen world. When they start to work in a church, what does that say about the leadership or it's members?



Nohm said...

How is it possible for someone to hate something that he doesn't believe exists?

Also, we don't "reject" your God; we reject *your* arguments for the existence of a God. There's a very important difference there that you seem to be missing.

Maybe you're wrong when you say that atheists hate your God.

Look, you might be one of those people who thinks that atheists really do believe, but we just act like we don't.

Not only does that not make sense, but it implies that you know our thoughts better than we do.

You don't.

Be well,


rrn said...

Romans 1:19-21
...what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him

Robert Tewart said...

Nohm, Atheists come in as many differen flavors as Christians and professing Christians. Some believers are nominal in their convictions and actions and some are on fire for God.

I'm not sure where you fall in your zeal for atheism, but I have encountered many, many atheists in my evangelism outings. One thing I consistently experience is their anger (hate) for God and the Bible. If anything could bother them more, it would be our (Christians') total belief in what The Bible teaches and our desire to spread that Good News. They mock God, use blasphemy, and are generally sarcastic.

What rrn quoted above from The Bible is ultimately the authority I based my comments on. As they say, it is what it is.

Nohm said...


Is it possible that you're misreading their reactions?

Is it possible that you're taking a couple of isolated incidents and blowing them up to be something much bigger?

Because that's my experience.

I understand that your experience, through your eyes, is probably different.

For the record, regardless of what Paul wrote to the Romans, I actually don't see God's existence as "plain", nor do I know Him, so I'm unable to glorify or give thanks. I understand that you disagree, and therefore I must be... what, lying to you?

What would I gain?

Be well,